do you still take wayne lapierre seriously? is he still an effective spokesman pore gun rights activists like yourself? >> i think that's a question that's really beside the point. the question should be, in my opinion, what can be done that realistically would make a difference in not having these horrible situations like we saw with those children being murdered, and i think it's -- it's three prongs. it is certainly more capability to know who is buying these guns and getting background checks which i'm told a bipartisan group of senators is working on a solution on that, that might carry both houses which i think is promising. >> here's the thing, senator, not to interrupt you. but here's a guy who speaks for the national rifle association, the largest gun rights group in this country. he has a platform. i think my question is valid because he should be at least advancing the debate. advancing the die loss, but it seems like every time he gets behind the microphone he does the exact opposite. >> well, i think, of course, th